To combat crime, he says, “put a lot of cops where the crime is, which means in minority neighborhoods.”Bloomberg tried to blame Rudy Giuliani for the stop & frisk program, but as noted in the news report and in the Times, Bloomberg's administration vastly extended the scope and reach of the program to include every brown person between the ages of eight and eighty who had testicles.
A funny aside is that Trump is saying that Bloomberg is racist, even though Trump has previously expressed support for the Frisk All Minority Men program.
Bloomberg is flat-out lying about having misgivings about Stop & Frisk. As the Times noted:
As late as the fall of 2018, when he was laying the groundwork to run for president as a Democrat, Mr. Bloomberg told The New York Times that the policy had deterred crime without violating anyone’s civil rights, ignoring a court ruling to the contrary.Bloomberg thinks that questioning him on his record is bullying. Which tells me that he is as thin-skinned as Trump, another wannabee autocrat with a glass jaw.
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No fan of Bloomberg, but just because it is unpalatable to some folks doesn't mean he is incorrect about where the crime happens.
The first step in fixing a problem is admitting it exists.
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/39117505
https://www.splcenter.org/20180614/biggest-lie-white-supremacist-propaganda-playbook-unraveling-truth-about-%E2%80%98black-white-crime
How this horrific violence came to take place traces back to a particularly destructive idea, one as old as the United States itself and rooted in the country’s white supremacy: that black men are a physical threat to white people. The narrative that black men are inherently violent and prone to rape white women, as Roof said during his rampage, has been prevalent for centuries. This idea has served as the primary justification for the need to oppress black people to protect the common — meaning white — good.
Roof saw himself as a victim standing up for oppressed whites, not as an aggressor. He had a racist “awakening” spurred by online research he did about the 2012 murder of the black high-school student Trayvon Martin. As he wrote in his manifesto, the Martin killing “prompted me to type in the words ‘black on white crime’ into Google, and I have never been the same since that day.”
Roof’s internet search quickly led him to the website of the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens, a group that claims to document an ignored war against whites being waged by violent black people. Google led Roof down a rabbit hole of hate, leaping from one hate site to the next, many filled with “evidence” that black people are pillaging, raping and murdering white people.
The only times I've been burglarized were when I was living in "whiter" neighborhoods: 62ond St, just below Telegraph, and Humboldt Ave, just below MacArthur.
All the years I lived in Dogtown, nobody tried to take my stuff, and when I lived in North Richmond we didn't even lock our doors at night.
-Doug in Oakland
Dinthebeast:
How many years ago was that?
The "neighborhoods" of 30 years ago don't exist anymore.
It ain't like it used to be.
All I know is that crimes like robbery and shootings happen more frequently in largely black urban areas than in largely white, asian or hsipanic urban areas. In Chicago the "Smash and Grab" mob robberies in high end shopping areas aren't committed by large groups of white, hispanic or asian yoots.
DA: Nice articles, (and some good points there) but neither addresses the points about black crime statistics.
A. Policing
In 2016, black Americans comprised 27% of all individuals arrested in the United States—double their share of the total population.8) Black youth accounted for 15% of all U.S. children yet made up 35% of juvenile arrests in that year.9) What might appear at first to be a linkage between race and crime is in large part a function of concentrated urban poverty, which is far more common for African Americans than for other racial groups. This accounts for a substantial portion of African Americans’ increased likelihood of committing certain violent and property crimes.10) But while there is a higher black rate of involvement in certain crimes, white Americans overestimate the proportion of crime committed by blacks and Latinos, overlook the fact that communities of color are disproportionately victims of crime, and discount the prevalence of bias in the criminal justice system.11)
In 1968, the Kerner Commission called on the country to make “massive and sustained” investments in jobs and education to reverse the “segregation and poverty [that] have created in the racial ghetto a destructive environment totally unknown to most white Americans.”12) Fifty years later, the Commission’s lone surviving member concluded that “in many ways, things have gotten no better—or have gotten worse.”13)
The rise of mass incarceration begins with disproportionate levels of police contact with African Americans. This is striking in particular for drug offenses, which are committed at roughly equal rates across races. “One reason minorities are stopped disproportionately is because police see violations where they are,” said Louis Dekmar, the president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, and chief of LaGrange, Georgia’s police department.14) The chief added: “Crime is often significantly higher in minority neighborhoods than elsewhere. And that is where we allocate our resources.” Dekmar’s view is not uncommon. Absent meaningful efforts to address societal segregation and disproportionate levels of poverty, U.S. criminal justice policies have cast a dragnet targeting African Americans. The War on Drugs as well as policing policies including “Broken Windows” and “Stop, Question, and Frisk” sanction higher levels of police contact with African Americans. This includes higher levels of police contact with innocent people and higher levels of arrests for drug crimes. Thus:
More than one in four people arrested for drug law violations in 2015 was black, although drug use rates do not differ substantially by race and ethnicity and drug users generally purchase drugs from people of the same race or ethnicity.15) For example, the ACLU found that blacks were 3.7 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than whites in 2010, even though their rate of marijuana usage was comparable.16)
https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/un-report-on-racial-disparities/
B: I lived in North Richmond from 2016 until 2019. And you're right about the neighborhoods in Oakland being gentrified past recognition now. That's why the median rent there for a one bedroom is $2,500.
When I moved to Dogtown in '88, it was a working class neighborhood, and there was crime, as it was the height of the crack epidemic, but I was never burglarized there like I was in the nicer, whiter neighborhood just south of the Berkeley border, and there wasn't the out of control gang activity like there was when we lived on MLK behind the MacArthur BART station, where there were gunfights in the street in front of the house on a weekly basis.
Things have calmed down in Oakland for the folks who can afford to live there now, but having lived in the poorer neighborhoods pretty much the whole time from '88 until 2013, at least in my own experience, the story that black (or Latino, or Asian) neighborhoods are less safe than white ones just wasn't true.
-Doug in Oakland
DA: Your article fails to address one very significant issue.
The rate of people of each demographic who actually commit crimes.
THe fact that young black males commit crimes at a greater rate than other races is pretty much ignored by your article.
Possibly whites, hispanics and other races are given more leniency. I have to trust your articles stats on that.
That does not change the fact that blacks commit more crimes. Not all, but many....so yes, they get charged more often....they DO MORE CRIME.
Again, shootings don't happen (nearly as often) in all white or mixed neighborhoods. Is it race? Culture? Perhaps some of each? Some other factor? I dunno. Still, it happens to be true. I realize that you don't like the idea, and I don't either. but there it is.
If you took the black majority neighborhoods out of the crime (and especially "gun violence") statistics crime drops by well more than half. Shootings by about 2/3.
It isn't all "Racial Injustice". some of it is behavior.
Dinthebeast. So you are telling me that all the crime in the black neighborhoods...robberies and burglaries as well as gun crimes are all committed by whites? IF so, then why do the crime stats go DOWN as the number of poor african-Americans goes down by percentage of population? Explain, please.
They didn't, at least not here. Crime is higher in poorer neighborhoods, whatever their ethnic makeup. What you're trying to blame on some intrinsic quality of minorities is really the fact that more of them are poor in America than white people.
Kinda like they looked at opiate addiction as a "black, inner city problem" (see also: "war on drugs", Nixon, Richard M.) until rural whites began facing the same economic problems that the "inner cities" had and all of the sudden they were dying in similar numbers as disadvantaged urban dwellers had been for decades, and then instead of it being a character flaw problem to be dealt with by law enforcement it became the "opioid crisis" that a Republican president appointed a former Republican governor to do something about.
-Doug in Oakland
B, read the article again, particularly this section:
10) But while there is a higher black rate of involvement in certain crimes, white Americans overestimate the proportion of crime committed by blacks and Latinos, overlook the fact that communities of color are disproportionately victims of crime, and discount the prevalence of bias in the criminal justice system.11)
The inherent problem is the boxing of the less well off into de facto ghettos, with limited work opportunities and little in the way of public facilities and parks. The additional impact of the food deserts in these areas plays into the stereotypes, because when the supermarket is two buses and and hour away, it’s easier to buy your food at the Quik-e Mart, where you can’t get fresh fruits and veggies.
The lack of attainable opportunity has bedeviled the minority community in the United States for decades, and continues to raise another generation whose only observed routes to escape involve less than legal activity. Until a teen or young adult in location A has the same opportunities for work as those in locations B-Z, differences will occur. As achievement has shown, where the opportunities are present, the success follows.
CP: I think you have the issue.
But as to the "Opportunities"....employers need (or want, anyway) employees without a criminal record and who can pass a drug test.....Which makes it hard to offer "opportunities" to that group of folks.
Yes, I know, but how do we break the cycle?
Same same with "food deserts"...larger supermarket chains choose not to do business where their loss rates triple (yes, triple) from other areas. So they choose not to do business there, leaving just the quickie mart with it's fewer choices and higher prices.
Still part of the same problem, I think. How do we help fix it?
Ignoring the fact of the higher crime rate and the other issues doesn't address the problem. Denial definitely doesn't.
DA: your article states that, and might even be correct for some crimes, but I think it glosses over lots of others. And you seem to be ignoring my question.
But, again, shootings don't happen nightly (and even more often on the weekends) in non-black neighborhoods. Mobs of white kids don't rush stores and loot. Large groups don't get into melees in most other areas.
Denial won't get to a solution.
B, if you want to look up the statistics and correct me, that’s fine. Ignoring the connection of poverty to crime is not okay. As for the shootings and rushing stores, unless you can come up with the statistics to back you up, all you’re doing is dealing in anecdata.
DA: Who said there was no connection between poverty and rime? Certainly not me.
That does not, however, change the other relationships to crime.
I'm not going to bother to give you well researched statistics when you reject anything that does not fit your viewpoint (as has happened in the past) The connections I have pointed out are there. You can find them, or not as you choose. You can reject the facts as you choose.
I really believe it is CULTURE, not racial or genetic causes. Simply the lack of family structure that causes many of the ills and leads to what we have today.
But, to get back to the original point, disliking the truth does not make Bloomberg incorrect
I'm not going to bother to give you well researched statistics when you reject anything that does not fit your viewpoint (as has happened in the past)
You make assertions based on no research or statistics whatsoever.
Pot and kettle there. Even the article you posted showed no stats to back up the claims.
You only like stats when they fit your bias.
IF you think that I am incorrect, then watch the news, read a paper or prove me incorrect with some stats. to quote you "Please use a reputable source".
I gave you the article to read, but you don’t want to deal with it.
Find an article to support your POV, with real numbers and statistics. News is anecdotal.
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