Words of Advice:

"If Something Seems To Be Too Good To Be True, It's Best To Shoot It, Just In Case." -- Fiona Glenanne

"Flying the Airplane is More Important than Radioing Your Plight to a Person on the Ground
Who is Incapable of Understanding or Doing Anything About It." -- Unknown

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.” -- Mark Twain

"Stay Strapped or Get Clapped." -- probably not Mr. Rogers

"Let’s eat all of these people!” — Venom

"Eck!" -- George the Cat

Tuesday, August 22, 2017

Collision at Sea, Some Thoughts

If you want to get a look at the disaster that is the Navy's training of shipboard officers ("surface warfare officers"), then read this.

No surprise that the trainwreck became fully-formed during the Rumsfeld era.

Saying "oh, we'll train them on their first ship" was about as foolish as it gets.


w3ski said...

CBT, in the Automotive field I know that well. As a Journeyman Mechanic in a semi rural area, there were few chances to learn from the Factory Guys. Even when I later had a Dealership Job the training institute was a had thing to get slotted for.
I did finally wrangle a few sessions there. I will always remember the Brick Building on the outside and the Great Attitudes on the inside.
Then came CBT and they even bulldozed that precious school to the ground.
As a mechanic you are expected to know all systems, how they work and how best to disassemble and repair, everything?
A you tube video doesn't answer questions and doesn't give Hands On training.
Now cars have actual Radar. I'm retired but I just don't think a video is going to teach me Radar Tech that well.
God Help our Navy ships if that is the best they can get in training.
I do keep seeing the sabotage angle mentioned? You were navy, wouldn't a ship in a crowd navigate with eyeballs instead of electronics?
just wondering

The New York Crank said...

Training schmaining. Why do I suspect somebody was sleeping on the job?

Yours crankily,
The New York Crank

MarkS said...

I strongly suspect that inappropriate faith in electronics played a big role in both collisions. The higher up the antenna is mounted, the greater the clutter near the ship. The only way these collisions could have happened with bow & bridge lookouts posted would be if all 3 became incapacitated at the same time.

Comrade Misfit said...

Back in the day, the SPS-10 radar antenna was mounted fairly high up.

But there was no processed video, no computer-aided anything. And there was redundancy. The OOD and JOOD each had their own scope heads and they kept track of contacts by grease-pencil dots. If you had a dot on your scope that didn't correspond to a track reported by CIC, you asked why. The Bridge status board was kept by a phone talker linked to CIC and he (or she) would sing out contact information and would repeat it until the information was verbally acknowledged.

Is that still done these days? I don't know.

CenterPuke88 said...

None of it matters if the steering goes out and they don't revert to backup in a timely and efficient manner. That's what this looks like.

Iron City said...

Maybe the aviators had the right name for the SWO device....they called them (and maybe still do) "Boat Driver Wings". Because don't you know 6 months of black shoe schoolhouse training is equal to trapping a jet on an aircraft carrier or intentionally taking your boat underwater, and back to the surface again, you hope.

Let's let the accident board do the investigation before jumping to conclusions, then jump to conclusions based on at least some data.