Idaho public health leaders announced Tuesday that they activated “crisis standards of care” allowing health care rationing for the state’s northern hospitals because there are more coronavirus patients than the institutions can handle.
The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare quietly enacted the move Monday and publicly announced it in a statement Tuesday morning — warning residents that they may not get the care they would normally expect if they need to be hospitalized.
So, to sum up, thanks to the antivax covidiots in Idaho, there's a chance that if you have a heart attack, a stroke, or are in a major crash, you're going to die on the gurney because there's no bed for you.
Meanwhile, Republicans are trying to dance around the point that states require kids to be vaccinated for dipheria, teatus, polio, measles, mumps and a whole bunch more, but requiring people be vaccinated against Covid is just too much.
I don't recall people saying "well, let's see if this works" when the Salk and Sabin polio vaccines were made available. In fact, they were lining up to take them because polio was not a fun disease to get. But hey, if today's Republicans were around back then, you could still invest in stock of iron lung manufacturers.
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Polio didn't have a 99% (plus a bit more depending on your age) survival rate.
If you read the article fully, you'll find out that the issue is staffing, more than anything else. Apparently lots of hospitals laid a bunch of staff off and now can't find enough nurses to fully reopen.
I find it telling that when we were being told a year ago that "the hospitals were being overwhelmed", most hospitals were laying off staff. Now the media is making it out that the "Hospitals are being overwhelmed" by covid patients but in reality they simply can't find enough workers to fully reopen, so they are having issues dealing with the load at 30-50% of normal capacity.
I seriously doubt anyone will be allowed to die in a hospital corridor because the covid patients are clogging up the hospitals. (And statistics show that about half of those covid patients in hospitals have already had the Covid shot, BTW)
A lot of nurses (and some doctors) have been quitting because they're tired of dealing with the Pandemic of Idiots.
43 hospitals turned this cardiac patient away.
Polio doesn’t have markedly different morbidity/mortality rates for different cohorts like COVID and the delta variant has.
Attack the science directly, not with comparisons to viruses that aren’t in the same family. You may find them compelling, but anyone with more than a casual understanding of viruses does not.
I'll wager you $100 to the charity or organization of the winner's choice there is significantly more to the story than in the article you posted. Like other details as to why he was not taken care of by "43 Hospitals". . Other factors or other reasons. No hospital would just turn him a way to die in the street. You know it as well as I do.
Care to take that wager?
BTW, your article says the man died in Alabama, not Idaho.
Another problem red state health systems have is that a bunch of them refused the Medicaid expansion under the ACA and that caused a bunch of rural hospitals to just close. Those folks are used to relying on the ERs in the nearest big city for their more serious health issues, and those big city ERs have been in a state of perpetual crisis for so long now that many of their staff are seeking other occupations.
Can't really blame them, either: they stepped up and put their lives and their families' lives at risk for the first year, without adequate PPE and learning to treat a novel disease on the fly, all in the hopes that the vaccines would eventually stanch the flood of death and misery their lives were drowning in, only to watch as a bunch of morons refused the vaccines and a new variant evolved, just like we knew it would, and now they're facing higher caseloads in low vaccine areas than even in the dead of last winter and saying "That's it, I'm out."
They are fucking human beings, and what is being done to them is torture, full stop.
Meanwhile in the communist hell hole where I live, a major city's school system has reopened without a single covid outbreak, proving that it can be done if you do it right.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/New-S-F-data-shows-children-haven-t-been-hard-16446656.php
-Doug in Sugar Pine
B, your last statement is just wrong.
The world is flat, 6,000 years old and the lights in the sky are angels with candles.
Could be an evolutionary iteration, those who get the shot survive ...
The problem isn't just the survival rate it is also the long lasting effects on your body even if you survive a Covid infection. The statistics for the after effects are probably much harder to find. I personally have lung and muscle problems from a Streptococcus spinal infection seventeen years ago and that is not going to show up in any statistics. If I could have gotten a shot to prevent the infection I sure would have.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/health/coronavirus/alabama-man-dies-after-43-hospitals-with-full-icus-turned-him-away-family-urges-covid-19-vaccines/
Polio,
It killed some and paralysed many. The latter is important as iron lungs
for those that lost the ability to use their chest muscles. Other like people
I knew were paralysed and lucky and in wheelchairs or on french crutches.
They died younger and for the lady on the crutches seem the disease lead
to muscle wasting with age and further paralysis. It had a long polio
component, so to speak. I'm old enough to remember the three shots of
Salk vaccine and also took the Sabin or more correctly my parent dragged
me to it, and we all did. it was something to fear.
If your less than 30 years old did you get Sabin vaccine? Did your kids?
IF no you can get polio. We know its been totally eradicated, until its reappearance a few years back. Most new cases were brought in
but is possible to have a native case.
It was also a pandemic, that existed until very recently in many parts
of the world. The vaccine refusenicks have resulted in its reappearance
in even this country after being totally eradicated.
Why do we do a flu shot every year? Because it actively mutates and
there are variations that were deadly like the 1918 version of H1N1 strain.
That only killed 50,000,000 people worldwide, over 675,000 here. The H1N1
strain reappeared as the "swine flu" and that also drew a strong reaction
as it as a known virulent strain. So "its only the flu" is not a comment
of a sane person. Having had a sever flu, the one that gives you a 103+
fever and a trip to a ER, I take the comment as pure idiocy.
I'd add a simple fact, antibodies are not passed to children for (other
than by lactation). That means if the specific H1N1 strain or a close
cousin reappeared your kids if they have been flu shot would get it
and suffer.
The other part of this is that your contrarian cherry picking of cases
and data appears to have a significant level of confirmation bias. That
comes from the picks used and the level of error. In science and
engineering that can kill you or others at the worst and at the least
embarrass you.
Now Idaho, Man power lags COVID and has taken out manpower three
ways, death, and long covid, and people finally got tired of running
into the fire to fight a loosing battle. That there are people that
openly defy evidence, science and common sense furthers that. In the
end those that left didn't want to be there to witness what amounts
to at best watching death happen, or worst, suicide.
So in the end being beds or bodies to maintain them there are more
covid sick than the system can care for. You can dance all you may
but now they have a health crisis due to non use of vaccine.
That means either way a heart attack, broken bone, potential cancer,
sick child may not get rapid and best quality care. People die when
that happens. But hey, a large percentage of the cases that need
non covid care will be fine. Unless of course your not and it was
preventable.
Eck!
B, you must be high if you think that I'd dumb enough to bet money with someone that I have never met, in person.
Beyond that, frankly, I wouldn't trust you on a bet. You are a master pettifogger.
Again you point out the obvious as a subterfuge and miss the example.
Yes, the guy died in alabama. They also have a state medical system
not unlike others. Your more likely to get treated in Atlanta and
ignored or worse mistreated elsewhere with smaller and financially
crippled ERs.
Pick any red state, add covid, and you see a repeating pattern.
Statistics are not always raw numbers but the emerging patterns
they uncover. However when there is a waiting line that extends
to the ambulances in the receiving bay it's not a pattern its
a fact. That there may be an ER or bed somewhere in outerbumfuck
hours away is not helpful its frustration for all involved.
The Golden Hour:
The military learned decades ago that hospitals hours away
were only useful if the patient arrived there alive and
hopefully stable condition. ER rooms know this and
there are many conditions that when they happen a
clock starts like strokes and many cardiac conditions.
They are of the longer you wait the more likely the damage
is permanent and potentially catastrophic.
Eck!
I'd call this an aside but relevant...
Polio is a viral disease may suffered it and large numbers
survived. the best approximations are 500,000,000 world
wide infected and some smaller less than 50,000,000 contracted
it and either died or were paralyzed to some degree. It was
particularly bad if it landed in the spine as that meant
paralysis and potential death as you can't breathe
without mechanical assistance. The big thing is if you
survive it you had a verifiable immunity for life. The
vaccine had the same effect, create permanent antibodies.
Covid, is different as its easier to spread and have variants
some worse than others. It attacks the lungs if it gets there
it will trigger the immune system in dangerous ways. An over
reaction by the immune system. IT happens to be most effecting
on those where age or other factors have weakened them. That
in itself is not uncommon with all viruses the weakest are
impacted worst. However Covid can make you weak once contracted.
Its how the younger fold are getting it and dieing. Unlike Polio
getting it does not guarantee you will not get it again, at best
it conferes a weak immunity. The vaccine works as designed
its weakness is it attacks the virus by making the body aware
of the spike protein. Very different from antibodies. However
science is always looking deeper into why is there break
though cases. Seems there are several attack faces to the
covid virus, the engineered mRNA deal with the primary, the
spike protein but its apparent the virus does have other
tools to replicate. One being viral overload, replicate faster,
or acquire more of it from another infected person(s), than
the body can initially cope with. Again if your weaker that
means more virus loading and you get ill, potentially
very ill. But unlike unvaccinated the immune system
overrun is less likely.
Very different virus and they attack the body differently.
Covid was called Novel because it was very different, as in
unique, from anything before it even the similar MERS.
They are both similar in that like many viral diseases
less contact means less spread of the disease. Anything
to lower that contact has a effect of lowering the potential
of becoming infected. We have known this for over a century.
Eck!
The numbers speak for themselves. Covid is a stone cold killer and which country is at the top of the list? The answer is shameful and it would never have happened to the extent it has under any administration except for the deliberate incompetency of T****'s.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Covid doesn't care about politics; but immunization and all its attendant aspects were weaponized by a sociopathic number of people and groups to maintain power and it's not ironic at all that the followers of those groups have payed the biggest price. Dead, crippled for life, or grieving for those who are.
Don't want to get vaccinated or wear a mask or wash your hands or isolate? Fine; you're only 11X more likely to become sick and die.
The direct financial burden to the US healthcare system in June and July alone caused by the unvaccinated was estimated as 2.3 billion dollars. Billions per month as long as Covid exists.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/unvaccinated-covid-patients-cost-the-u-s-health-system-billions-of-dollars/
But the total cost to the US is estimated at 16 Trillion dollars. Money thrown away in the Covid fire.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771764
But, no, millions of us don't want to do the responsible things that will help keep us all safe.
So, mandates now. It's not about government overreach, it's about the greater good and saving lives even if they don't want to be saved.
The USA also has one of the largest populations. If you sort the Worldometers tables for /1M population, the USA is 21st.
And I see you cited JAMA, which if you look for it tells us that no studies have yet shown that masks work to prevent community spread. Masks are theater, and I'm tired of being made to wear one.
Well, Comrade, Thanks for saying you think I'd welch on a bet.
I find that people judge others based on what they'd do in that situation.
I'd have paid up....to the charity or foundation you named....If I lost. Would you have done so? Simple. I could have mailed a check or money order made out to the charity you named to an address you specified. "Twouldn't even have to be your address....It's how I've done such bets before. Been doing such bets since Usenet, so I know that system works....(And I've lost a few bets that way too).
I think you *know* there is more to the story of the man in Alabama who didn't find an ICU bed, and you don't want to admit it 'cause it makes good press and impresses the liberal crowd here. I've found that most Liberals aren't willing to bet on such things though, as they know it is all Bullshit and "Feelz" and very little substance.
The offer remains open to the wager for another day..... In fact, I'll double it. $200 says the article is not the whole story. Name your charity or foundation.
I don't bet with people I don't know. Never have, never will.
If you can't accept that, well, you know the saying about the screen door.
B said, " (And statistics show that about half of those covid patients in hospitals have already had the Covid shot, BTW)"
I'll let others quibble about the rest of your post(s), but I'm gonna question your above statement.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-hospital-cases-rates-unvaccinated
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-by-the-numbers-vaccinated-continue-to-be-protected
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html
These are just three articles of many that I found that suggest your statement isn't close to being true.
It's the reason I don't read your blog any more (yeah, I'm sure you're heartbroken)--too much unsupported opinion stated as fact.
Pete
I think you *know* there is more to the story of the man in Alabama who didn't find an ICU bed, and you don't want to admit it 'cause it makes good press and impresses the liberal crowd here. I've found that most Liberals aren't willing to bet on such things though, as they know it is all Bullshit and "Feelz" and very little substance.
Mind-reading doesn’t replace research, B. You made the charge, now falsify the Alabama story or give it a rest.
A final characteristic of the paranoid style is related to the quality of its pedantry. One of the impressive things about paranoid literature is the contrast between its fantasied conclusions and the almost touching concern with factuality it invariably shows. It produces heroic strivings for evidence to prove that the unbelievable is the only thing that can be believed. Of course, there are highbrow, lowbrow, and middlebrow paranoids, as there are likely to be in any political tendency. But respectable paranoid literature not only starts from certain moral commitments that can indeed be justified but also carefully and all but obsessively accumulates “evidence.” The difference between this “evidence” and that commonly employed by others is that it seems less a means of entering into normal political controversy than a means of warding off the profane intrusion of the secular political world. The paranoid seems to have little expectation of actually convincing a hostile world, but he can accumulate evidence in order to protect his cherished convictions from it.
From The Paranoid Style in America Politics
https://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/
More to the Alabama story, he died in Mississippi…otherwise the story is correct.
Pete: I'm glad you left my site. Please feel free to stay away. I find it interesting that you have suddenly resurfaced after a few months.
Here are some articles that refutes yours. Note that they are from from sites that have a bit more gravitas than say, the New Nork Times or your other two:
https://www.science.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html
I bet you get your covid news from Rolling Stone as well.....
Yes and under that story is the story about Alabama getting
help from the Navy for a shortage of beds and people to
maintain them and the patients. The headline for that is
"Now is not a good time to have a heart attack in Alabama".
Seems that a persistent thing when they are reporting
very high unvaxed rates for the large numbers of sick
as an issue that can be controlled.
A bet BTW does not make veracity of claims true or a claim
of untruth. A nonspecific bet is just so much hogwash.
Its just another distraction and whatabout.
News flash it is not about you.
The whole of the blog post is: people that could have avoided
being severely sick or at least sick in far smaller numbers
are unvaxed (I've seen 90 to 98% are unvaxed) and they are
occupying beds that may be needed for people with other
illness or even injuries.
Either dispute that with verifiable facts or go away.
Eck!
OK, we've gone around the rotary enough times on this one.
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