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"If Something Seems To Be Too Good To Be True, It's Best To Shoot It, Just In Case." -- Fiona Glenanne

"Flying the Airplane is More Important than Radioing Your Plight to a Person on the Ground
Who is Incapable of Understanding or Doing Anything About It." -- Unknown

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.” -- Mark Twain

"Stay Strapped or Get Clapped." -- probably not Mr. Rogers

"Let’s eat all of these people!” — Venom

"Eck!" -- George the Cat

Monday, September 27, 2021


The ratio of COVID deaths per 100K population is over five times higher in the counties that voted the most for Trump compared to the couties that moted the most for Biden.

There seems to be an almost perfect correlation between vaccination rates and the 2020 presidential vote.

I don't know what it is about the Right on this. Do they think that they are "owning the libs" by dying at much higher rates from a preventable disease? Is this a matter of kindergarten-grade "nobody's gonna tell me what to do" mentality? What sort of rational reasoning by conservatives has them agitating for behaviors that disproportionately kill their own base? It defies reason as Republicans could claim that the vaccines are the fruits of Trump's policies and, therefore, Trump supporters should show their gratitude and rush out for their shots.

But if Republicans want to believe that their not getting vaccinated is somehow going to bother people on the other end of the political spectrum, they're sadly mistaken.

If you're a Trump supporter and you are willing to take the far greater chance of becoming sick with Covid and possibly dying, knock yerself out.


Jimmy T said...

I've always been a sciencey kind of guy. Couldn't wait to get my first two vaccine doses when they became available because the science was/is clear. Tomorrow I get my booster. Not sure why so many red staters are prepared to die to own the libs, but the end result is that they will dilute their voting power. I think I've said this before, but there is an old saying "that you can't fix stupid." I disagree, we're seeing a great experiment in motion where the Darwin variant is fixing stupid. I only feel bad for those who catch it and sicken because they're immuno-suppressed or aren't old enough to get the vaccine...

Jones, Jon Jones said...

Lecture 3.1

Comrade Misfit said...

Mind telling the class what Lecture 3.1 is about?

Ward said...

It's a lecture pointing out that "correlation is not causation." And while it's true in general that two things can be correlated without one of them causing the other, in the case of Trump morons^H^H^H^H^H^H voters it's pretty clear that their anti-vax, anti-science, anti-libs, and - ultimately - anti-reality mindset _is_ the cause of their higher Covid counts.

Just look at B, who's still shrieking "the election was fraudulent!" ...

Jones, Jon Jones said...

Correlation does not imply causation.
The phrase "correlation does not imply causation" refers to the inability to legitimately deduce a cause-and-effect relationship between two events or variables solely on the basis of an observed association or correlation between them.[1][2] The idea that "correlation implies causation" is an example of a questionable-cause logical fallacy, in which two events occurring together are taken to have established a cause-and-effect relationship. This fallacy is also known by the Latin phrase cum hoc ergo propter hoc

Dilbert does it so much better

dan gerene said...

It's a good example of cognitive dissonance, "trump vaccine good, Biden vaccine bad" even though it's the same vaccines.

Comrade Misfit said...

If you guys are implying that I believe that correlation = causation, please, give me a fucking break.

Comrade Misfit said...

As an aside, there is one induhvidual, who, by all available evidence, is dumber than a bag of hammers. He keeps dropping comments here even though I delete them all without reading any of them.

One has to wonder why he even bothers. He must not have a life.

Eck! said...

Correlation does not imply causation.

Absolutely correct, ITs putting the cart before the horse.
Its a tool to verify if a set of facts known meets criteria
of a hypothesis of causation.

Here is an engineering example...

I design an antenna using a numerical tool, a mathematical
model. I then build it and test it in real life to verify
if the tool predicted its behaviour for example gain,
pattern, SWR correctly. If the real prototype behaves
according to the model we have correlation for the model.
That tests the model so we can use it to develop versions
of same antenna.

Now for the chart...

THe hypothesis is that red states have higher covid
and its due to lower vaccination rates.

THat is the causative item to test. So if the states are
indeed higher in covid cases there is a correlation between
lower of vaccine use and higher covid number of covid cases.

So correlation does not imply causation is correct however
the causation hypothesis can be tested with correlation to
verify if there is a basic cause and effect.

We could of course improve the hypothesis by adding or
refining more conditions to test. THat however is
likely beating the dead horse further.

in science and engineering we observe and collect data
then test those against a model to see if the model
predicts is is aligned to the known facts. By collecting
more data refining our model we can than have a correlation
of causes and the resulting effects. We call the result a
tested theory and that theory is then used to predict a
likely set of causes with a expected result.

Misapplication of asic theory and applied tools results
in beliefs and bias that are not fact and also can be tested.


re the paragon said...

The causation is lack of vaccinations results in more Covid cases.

The correlation is that being a Trump supporter means that you are unlikely to get the vaccine unless forced to do so by a work mandate.

Passing on getting a free, safe and effective shot in favor of eating horse de-wormer means you are stupid.

Dark Avenger said...

“Mr Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: 'Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action'.”

Jones, Jon Jones said...

Thanks Eck!

Richard said...

It is a real thing. Just please get a vaccination .It is important. I am old and it doesn't matter so much for me. But do you want to live this way? Do you want to live with this covid disease?
Are you ready for this? I don't want to see you getting sick and dying. This is serious. Can you be serious for a minute or two?
What's her name, Nikki Minaj, can she be serious?

Can she shake her fat Trinidadian ass and do something good?