Seen on the street in Kyiv.

Words of Advice:

"If Something Seems To Be Too Good To Be True, It's Best To Shoot It, Just In Case." -- Fiona Glenanne

“The Mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” -- The TOFF *

"Foreign Relations Boil Down to Two Things: Talking With People or Killing Them." -- Unknown

“Speed is a poor substitute for accuracy.” -- Real, no-shit, fortune from a fortune cookie

"If you believe that you are talking to G-d, you can justify anything.” — my Dad

"Colt .45s; putting bad guys in the ground since 1873." -- Unknown

"Stay Strapped or Get Clapped." -- probably not Mr. Rogers

"The Dildo of Karma rarely comes lubed." -- Unknown

"Eck!" -- George the Cat

* "TOFF" = Treasonous Orange Fat Fuck, A/K/A Dolt-45,
A/K/A Commandante (or Cadet) Bone Spurs,
A/K/A El Caudillo de Mar-a-Lago, A/K/A the Asset., A/K/A P01135809

Thursday, April 7, 2011

The N-1, Reborn?

SpaceX is proposing to build a heavy-lift version of its Falcon 9 rocket, called Falcon 9 Heavy.

When I saw the illustration of the proposed rocket, the first thing I thought of was that it would have almost as many engines as the N-1, 27 engines, versus 30 for the N-1. One might point out that the Falcon 9 has flown, but the counter to that is that the Russians have flown the R-7/Soyuz rocket design since the 1960s.

As best I can determine, the Soyuz rocket first ignites the sixteen engines of its four first-stage strap-on boosters and then, once they are all running, the four engines of the main/second stage are ignited, so that it flies with 20 engines burning. Yet the Soviets were never able to get the N-1, with its 30-engine first stage, to successfully fly. Yes, SpaceX has flown the Falcon 9 twice. The Russians have flown the R-7/Soyuz series close to two thousand times.

I'm not betting against SpaceX, mind you. But anyone at SpaceX who thinks that the Falcon 9 Heavy is a simple matter of just strapping three Falcon 9 main stages together is probably one of the brain-damaged fools who tend to spend their days cranking out press releases.

2 comments:

XR650L_Dave said...

Oh please, if it has 20 engines that just means the engines have to be 20 times more reliable than the designed reliability of the vehicle taken as a whole... ;)


Dave

Eck! said...

Actually that is not so true. 20 engines means failure for common defect is higher but not 20x as there will be one that does not always exhibit that defect. What it also means is if 18 engines running can get you there it allows for the possibility that a single failure or more is not catastrophic. However the problem with rocket engines is they do blow up[catastrophic failure]
as well as just don't run.

Aircraft industry has long proven that multiple engines is good to a point but the cross over point is somewhere between 2 and 16 engines and 2 or 4 being very common.

The analysis is never simple but the argument is for heavy lift rockets is do you use a few (5 for saturn 1) or more as a single engine not current technology and is also single point of complete failure and some large number engines which is the problem of just too many parts. Current tech is we know how to make small and simpler engines of good reliability and we forgot how to make really big engines[lost the process for Saturn 5)..

That and Rocket science hasn't advanced that much in the last 30 years so old ones get tried and refined.

That and the kiddies have no memory of the wide days of the early nasa/military rocket developments.
How many tries to get a suitable booster for Mercury?

Eck!