You can bet that is the talking point of the Trumpist Republicans: Trying to steal an election and the rest is perfectly fine for them.
Nothing new in that regard. Republicans have decided that they will tolerate all manner of criminality and greed from their guys. You need only compare Jared Kushner to Hunter Biden to see that play out.[1]
The Trump re-election campaign was a criminal enterprise. He has continued his criminality and so have a number of his henchmen.[2] For it seems that he is doing his absolute best to talk himself into jail ahead of his trials.
Either the TOFF believes that he is above the law, that he can truly kill poeple with impunity or he thinks that if he goes to jail, his campaign to destroy American democracy will be unstoppable.[3] You can mull over that question at your leisure.
A separate point: The TOFF's fundraising apparatus is said to have been paying for all defense lawyers.[4] It'll be interesting to see if they can pay for eighteen lawyers who are all familiar with defending RICO cases in Georgia.
The old advice of "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime" still applies.
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[1] Hunter traded on his dad's name. Jared pused his financial interests while "working" as a high-level staffie in his father-in-law's administration, including arranging to create a multi-billion dollar slush fund under his control. You can guess which one the Republicans are screaming about.
[2] The term "henchmen" is not gender-specific.
[3] Easy guess as to from which past German leader he is drawing his inspiration.
[4] That seems to be a classic mob boss defense tactic to presumably to reduce the chances of anyone flipping on His Orangeness.
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But it's "saving our democracy" when Democrats do it.
At least 78 (SEVENTY-EIGHT!!!) felony charges have been issued against Trump. The Right claims there is a two tiered justice system, and they’re correct. But not in the way they think. Any other individual would have been required to post bail, not released on their own recognizance. Any other individual would have been found in contempt for what he has splashed over social media.
These indictments were issued by grand juries, citizens that hear the facts and then decide wether to proceed or not. Many of these prosecutors and judges were Trump appointees. So explain exactly how this administration is “weaponizing” the justice system.
Please explain also how the “election was stolen”. Claims were made to the courts, but no evidence was presented to the courts to continue. “I think” and “I feelz” are not evidence enough to have a court rule in one’s favor. If anything, all the evidence so far presented indicates that the Right are the ones who tried to “steal the election”. Filing numerous claims with numerous courts, calling representatives of swing states to change results, gathering false electors in several states, all leading up to the “peaceful tour” of the capitol on January 6th.
Those that are hardcore MAGAts are delusional. It’s nearly useless trying to talk to them. I speak from experience as some family members usually end their argument with “yeah? Well F**** you.” There is no logical argument they can present that shows their convictions are correct. Sad really.
Until Trump is tried and a verdict decided, there will be no resolution to the current state we are in. We can only wait for the results.
On a personal note, I would like to see Trump disqualified from running and holding pubic office based upon his actions and age. He has become the old guy that argues about anything to get his way about everything.
Dale
Frank Wilhoit's quote, evergreen until the end of -isms.
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
conservatives love the law when it punishes the poor and ethnics. conservatives hate the law when it's applied to themselves.
SteveP, either come up with concrete proven examples, not conspiracy-theory or QAnon-grade horseshit, to back up your snark or get the fuck out of town.
Popping the corn and filling out a score card. The orange is getting really rancid and it will soon be time to put him out for collection. Hopefully a Super Max is his last address.
A Super Max should suit the Secret Service's needs to protect their charge.
Regarding the 2020 election, can you please explain this.
Obama Trump Biden
69 million votes 74 million votes 81 million?
873 counties 2497 counties 477 counties
18/19 bellwether 18/19 bellwether 1/19 bellwether
Won FL, OH, IA Won FL, OH, IA Lost FL, OH, IA
Won House seates Won House Seats Lost House Seats
Plus, there are videos of the vote count dropping on TV. The counting should never go down.
Michigan just proved the election rigging was real. It didn't happen in other states? Georgia comes to mind.
Obama wasn't on the 2020 (or 2016) ballot. Comparing vote totals from 2020 to an election eight or twelve years prior makes no logical sense whatsoever.
As to Team Trump's allegations of fraud, he had plenty of chances to litigate those matters. He lost every fucking time, in red states, purple states and blue states. Giuliani just had to admit, in a legal filing, that he was lying about his tales of voter fraud in Georgia.
Your side has nothing, Steve. All they have is bullshit and conspiracy theories. They had noting that met the legal standards of proof at the time and they still don't.
That Republicans continue to believe these Trumpist fairy tales is proof that Carl Sagan was right: People who buy into a big con can't be dissuaded of it.
Or they're all just fucking insane. Since there is no objective proof of it happening, people who continue to bleat about the 2020 election being stolen or that there was massive voter fraud are showing that they have lost their marbles.
Jim, I live in Michigan. To what ‘proven election rigging’ do you refer? There was the Republican that stole a voting machine to ‘find out how to change votes’. There is the Republican Party that convened to create fake electoral voters who steal the votes from Biden. And now the Michigan AG is charging those individuals. Is that the election fraud, interference, and rigging to which you refer. Or are you one of those MAGAts that refuses acknowledge the election results because ‘you feel that something is fishy’?
Or are you gonna be like some in my family that uses the same retort?
Dale
That Republicans continue to believe these Trumpist fairy tales is proof that Carl Sagan was right: People who buy into a big con can't be dissuaded of it.
Voltaire back in the day:
Formerly there were those who said: You believe things that are incomprehensible, inconsistent, impossible because we have commanded you to believe them; go then and do what is injust because we command it. Such people show admirable reasoning. Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. If the God‐given understanding of your mind does not resist a demand to believe what is impossible, then you will not resist a demand to do wrong to that God‐given sense of justice in your heart. As soon as one faculty of your soul has been dominated, other faculties will follow as well. And from this derives all those crimes of religion which have overrun the world.
Or perhaps this is the 'smoking gun' that Jim in Monroe refers to:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/fact-check-did-michigan-police-uncover-2020-democratic-election-plot/ar-AA1flMcb?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=97fe209d11d042cd9b2d795d2b611f67&ei=22
It boils down to an unreliable 'news' source coming to conclusions that just don't hold water. Over 250 audits across the state of the 2020 election in Michigan found no evidence of fraud on the scale the MAGAts claim happened.
Dale
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