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" -- Unknown

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Wednesday, July 19, 2017

Republicans: Just Laughing at Their Lies on Their Failed Health Care Bill(s)

President* Trump on Tuesday put blame on Democrats and "a few Republicans" for the collapse of the Senate GOP's healthcare bill.

"We were let down by all of the Democrats and a few Republicans," Trump tweeted.
Here's the tweet:

It is a really moronic lie that the Democrats are responsible. The Republicans tried to do this entire mishegoss under budget reconciliation rules, so that they would only need fifty votes in the Senate and the Democrats couldn't filibuster it (a point Trump doesn't understand). The plain truth of the matter is that the GOP's plan was always to enact TrumpNoCare without any support from the Democrats.

Remember that it took the Obama Administration ten months to get the ACA through Congress. There were weeks of hearings on the bill. President Obama appeared at forums to discuss, in detail, the proposals of the ACA.

Trump, on the other hand, did nothing other than make a few vague remarks here and there, along with his nearly-brainless tweets. At one point, he even expressed surprise that enacting health care legislation was difficult
"Now, I have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject," he added. "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."
Which, of course, means that he didn't know it would be difficult. Anyone else who has paid even a modicum of attention to the issue of health care knew that it was a very complex issue. The original legislation itself was about 2,700 pages. Obviously, he had no inkling of that fact.

The mind boggles.

Any person with even a little bit of political experience could have seen this legislative train wreck coming before they even lit fires under the boiler.

(And this, too.)


B said...

Yes, if they'd just do a repeal, it'd solve all the issues. Trying to give us "ObamaCare Lite" (for lack of a better term) results in failure. Plus, when THEIR version craters, they will own it instead of the Democrats.

If they'd simply let us go back to the way it was, pre-ObamaCare, we'd be better off. Everyone would. Even those "helped" by BarryCare.

The Republican failure here is astoundingly large. I agree with you, they have failed.

The issue is, of course, you cannot have a system that uses other peoples money (or healthcare premiums)and still have inexpensive coverage for those that actually pay the bills. Someone has to foot the bill in any socialist endeavor. We can argue philosophy as to what is right all day long, but as long as half the people get something for free, the other half pays greater premiums.

I'd go for Free health Care that is means tested (and paid for with taxes) if we got rid of (or greatly reduced benefits for, and made it harder to get) welfare and food stamps and free housing and all the other freebies. But at some point, as Maggie Thatcher said, "you run out of other peoples money". How much Free Shit should people get? As I've stated before, we have had a War on Poverty longer than I have been alive, yet we still have it, and more of it. It is people who make decisions that makes 'em poor. There are truly folks who need help, but most recipients don't fall into that category.

We may disagree as to what form of help the Federal and State government should provide, but the economics are plain to see for anyone with two neurons to rub together. BarryCare was economically doomed from the start.

Comrade Misfit said...

Sure, they'll repeal it. And I want a pony and a sack of gold bars.

Neither is going to happen.

B said...


Thomas Ten Bears said...

Health "insurance" is not health care.

As usary is the profit by anothers' pain, insurance is the potential of profit by anothers' pain. To resolve the health care crisis we must eliminate "insurance" from the equation. The faceless beauracrat between you and your doctor.

We have to stop doing what we are doing. It isn't working.

CenterPuke88 said...
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CenterPuke88 said...

B., the war on the poor started under Ronnie. Continue in your belief that the beatings should continue until morale improves.

dinthebeast said...

Maybe they can't pass their healthcare tax cut because everyone hates it and thousands upon thousands of them have been telling them so nonstop for months now.
Or perhaps they can blame it on Murkowski, Collins, and Capito having vestigial consciences, or at least political survival instincts, or perhaps actually giving a fuck about their constituents.
The right's opposition to healthcare has always been a lie, as shown by the costs and outcomes in for-profit healthcare being far worse than in places (most of the developed world) where it is not for-profit.
That is, of course, talking about healthcare, not ideology.

-Doug in Oakland

B said...

Cost higher? HAHAHAHA

Standards of care lower, you mean. See also Canada and Great Britain and most of Europe. Government care is being cut or restricted due to cost, private paid care is on the rise....Oddly, just like BarryCare where costs have skyrocketed.

CenterPuke88 said...

B., keep saying it long enough and you might start believing it. Maybe if you did some real research on healthcare in Canada and Europe, rather than consuming the gruel that is being fed to yo, the scales might fall from your eyes.

B said...

Really? Perhaps you should do your own research. The waiting lists are long for many procedures, yet privately paid for ones are booming.

You can't get a knee replaced, nor a shoulder worked on. Nor many other non life threatening ones. Or the waiting list is 2-3 years long. Yet if you are willing to pay for it, not have the government pay, it can be done in days, not years.

And God (or another deity if it pleases you) help you if you are overweight or have higher than desired blood pressure or other "concerns" that will disqualify you.

Truth here, not liberal pipe dreams.

And it is even worse in Britain.

Check me, look it up. It is't the utopia you wish it to be.

dinthebeast said...

We're 37th in quality of delivered healthcare by country.

-Doug in Oakland

CenterPuke88 said...

B., B., B., really?! Both my maternal and paternal Uncles had cancer that, if they had had to wait like you said, would have killed them. Instead, both are now over 75 and doing quite well. Incidentally, they were both "victims" of the NHS, and their bill for getting to live was ZERO. When the people you believe cherry pick things and misrepresent simple facts, you get unreliable data and/or mislead.

The NHS is far from perfect, but it gives people health care...far too many people in the U.S. don't have any real option for healthcare if you repeal the ACA.