Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) this week responded to a questionnaire to argue that protecting Ukraine against Russia’s yearlong invasion should not be one of America’s “vital national interests,” knocking the Biden administration for indicating it’ll support Kyiv as long as it takes.
“While the U.S. has many vital national interests — securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party — becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them,” DeSantis said in response to a questionnaire on Ukraine sent out to possible 2024 presidential candidates by Fox News’s Tucker Carlson.
Calling a massive invasion of a neighbor across borders recognized by the entire world, including the invader, is a "territorial dispute" in the same way that somebody punching DeSantis in the face could be construed as touching up his makeup.
It is fitting, in a way, that DeSanctimonious went on the Tuckyo Rose Show, aka the Putin Poodle Show, to say that his presidency would give Putin a green light to reconstitute the Soviet Union.
Little Marco has the right of it:
“Well, it’s not a territorial dispute in the sense that any more than it would be a territorial dispute if the United States decided that it wanted to invade Canada or take over the Bahamas,” Rubio told Hewitt during Tuesday’s episode. “Just because someone claims something doesn’t mean it belongs to them.”
Rubio told Hewitt that Russia’s ultimate goal is to take out Ukraine’s government and control the country, adding that the war should not be compared to other conflicts or territorial disputes settled with treaties and peace agreements.
“So it’s really more of a desire to dominate their neighbor, have them as part of their sphere of influence, not so much of it about the land,” Rubio said.
If anyone wants to occupy DeSantis's home, well, that's not a crime. It's just an ownership dispute.
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Perhaps he thinks that billions in unaccountable funds is not a good idea.....
In reference to Russian oligarchs, I presume. I recall that Russia guaranteed territorial integrity to Ukraine when they handed back their nuclear weapons.I shouldn't have to point out that the billions we are giving Ukraine are not pallets of cash (that was Iraq), but equipment valued at that price when purchased but now on the verge of being phased out (m113s. Bradleys etc.).Seems like an economical project if it degrades an adversary while deterring another (China/Taiwan). Seems to me like we're doing well by doing right.
B, then he could have said that without tossing in a dispute reference.
Except that he didn't seem to mention that. He did say, in effect, that if Russia wants to conquer its neighbors, it's not our problem.
Which is in line with a strand of Republican thinking that goes back over eighty years.
Mark, while we and the EU are providing monetary assistance to keep Ukraine's government and economy afloat, we aren't flying in pallets of cash. That was Pakistan (Musharraf got $1.2 billion a year in cash), Afghanistan and Iraq. One shipment alone to Paul Brenner's "government" in Iraq was over three hundred tons of cash.
Looks like the Reagan Doctrine is dead.
Wikipedia:
"We must not break faith with those who are risking their lives—on every continent from Afghanistan to Nicaragua—to defy Soviet-supported aggression and secure rights which have been ours from birth."
And so is https://newrepublic.com/article/160212/republican-party-dead-its-trump-cult-now
Comrade, Point taken and not even disputed.I mentioned that to refute the claim that we are spending fungible money ( that could be better spent on *insert pet hobbyhorse*). This is the go-to straw man for those excusing Putin.When Russia invaded Ukraine I saw it as a proxy struggle between forces inclining towards democracy and those opposed.Looking at who comes down where on this, and how they justify it, defines them as well
Perhaps he sees that his supporters view Putin and Russia as white and thus will support pretty much anything they pull against anyone, anywhere.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Doug, a fair point, except, when if I nip over to right wing blogs…using a VPN and incognito mode, because…the generic ads offered to my browser tend heavily to pushing gold and offering Ukrainian women looking for love. Not those Ruskie babes, but the Aryan-looking “Ukrainian” types stolen from all over the web. Which tells me the reich wingers don’t know how to search for an image on Google either.
They know Zelenskyy is Jewish.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Or maybe the like Putin because he has his enemies jailed or killed. Those are things that the Asset has wet dreams about being able to do.
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