Sunday, January 7, 2024

I Just Don't Get It

As I understand it, this is what transpired when some Russian tanks found themselves in a Ukrainian minefield:

I wasn't a ground-pounder, but what I do know is that the first rule of what one does if one has blundered into a minefield is don't fucking go moving around. But these guys found themselves in one and they went driving their tanks around.

Am I wrong about not moving around in a minefield? Or are these guys badly trained?

H/T

10 comments:

  1. They were boxed...

    They blundered into a mine field, then stated taking fire with
    the purpose of making them move to retreat or the fire they
    were taking would kill them.

    Well thought out plan...


    Eck!

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  3. FFS, back out on tank tread marks or unexploded footsteps. Driving into the mine field is just doing the Ukrainians job for them.

    Not that I find that objectionable.

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  4. Or attracts drones. Mauldin, WWII: I dunno Willie, a movin' foxhole attracts the eye

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  5. IIRC we depended on the combat engineers to build lanes that were safe. When we'd occupy a position. (firing battery M109A1 SP) the position would be cleared by the advance party. NBC would check for any Nuc, Bio or chem contamination, and do a cursory sweep with a mine detector. I'd lay the battery with an M2 Aiming circle (google it) and we'd get to work. Nowadays I think you're pretty much fu&*ed with drones and the availability of fire being called in while you blunder around like these guys are doing.

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  6. They surely do show a lack of common sense. Supposedly much of their army is conscripts and those would not be the brightest, but trying to drive on new ground in a proven minefield is really nuts. If this is what they have, I am surprised that Ukraine has not pushed them all the way back home by now. Nice to see them commit mass suicide like that.
    w3ski

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  7. Its not about common sense.
    Its their command structure.
    Likely a failure of doctrine as well.
    What I see is panic.


    What I find interesting is the camera view shows tracer
    fire and there were a few likely RPGs seen hitting a
    tank. Smoke and enemy fire they button up and get
    tunnel vision the rest plays out in the video.

    The guys running into the trees were the tankers or the
    tanks harassers?

    You establish clear lanes so you don't walk into a trap where
    the other guy gets to play target practice. Who every commands
    that area understands the Russian doctrine of tanks and how to
    employ mines well enough to be effective.



    Eck!

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  8. I definitely saw a rocket of some sort hitting the second tank to explode. Side-shot, so not a Javelin, probably. End of clip looks like cluster ammunition going off. Might as well get the tankers as well as the tanks, right?

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  9. I don't know if it's easier for the Orcs to replace tankers or tanks. But if the chance exists, best to kill both, no?

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