President Donald Trump asserted Monday that he is the ultimate decision-maker for determining how and when to relax the nation’s social distancing guidelines as he grows anxious to reopen the coronavirus-stricken country as soon as possible.Right. Trump refused to impose a nationwide anything, all he would agree to were recommendations. He left the heavy lifting up to the governors.
If it wasn't Trump's call as to whether or not to impose restrictions, it sure as shit isn't his decision as to lifting restrictions.
Donnie, go fuck yourself, your horse, and everyone who looks like you.
Trump needs to avail himself of one of the many, now-online 9th grade Civics classes. Federalism is not a hard concept.
ReplyDeleteAnd for those playing at home, from three weeks ago:
ReplyDelete“B said...
And yet the numbers just don't match the hysteria (again)
Here is the real data as per johns Hopkins:
WORLDWIDE:
375,450 cases
(7.5 BILLION people in the world...do the math)
16,371 TOTAL deaths blamed on this disease. (so far, "normal" seasonal flu has killed over 20,000 people this year)
For this we shut down our way of life and killed our economy?
data source: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
March 23, 2020 at 7:38 PM“
So, lets update again...
Total Cases/World: 1,905,935
Total Cases/U.S.A.: 583,870 (#1 in the world, U S A, U S A, U S A!)
Total Deaths/World: 118,623
Total Deaths/U.S.A.: 23,485 (#1 in the world)
The increases since B.'s first post of numbers: Cases up 507.6%...Deaths up 724.6%
Note that you can't calculate mortality rates until everyone has recovered or died...but in the U.S. 40% of those cases resolved were deadly. This suggests the experience of Italy and Spain (7-10% mortality) may not be terribly far off.
Bodies are being piled in freezer trucks in N.Y.C. and spare hospital rooms in Detroit. In South America, despite reported low numbers, huge numbers of cardboard coffins are being distributed. In China, a number of cremations inconsistent with their released statisitics are being released to relatives.
Yes, B., "(f)or this we shut down our way of life and killed our economy?". Will you admit yet that the correct decision was made?
The question should be, ‘What good is a strong bustling economy if there’s no one around to use it?’
ReplyDeleteAnd Preznint Troomp, who wouldn’t issue a nationwide stay inside order (said it was up to each state individually) now says only HE can dictate when the freeze will end. States rights, pffft.
What a great job to have: All the credit, None of the blame.
Dale
CP88: B is already on record saying that he will not see cause for alarm until we hit 6 Vietnam wars worth of causalities, 600,000.
ReplyDeleteSorry, supposed to be 300,000.
ReplyDeleteThe problem with Fergus' "I'm reopening the country" shtick is that he didn't close the damn thing, and has been all "it's really up to the states" about doing anything real to cope with the pandemic, all the while insulting the governors who actually did try to do anything.
ReplyDeleteSo now those governors who he's been insulting on Twitter and at his "press briefings" are going to, what? Cause a second wave of illness, death, and destruction because he wants them to?
Maybe he should have thought about that before he called them 47 kinds of an asshole on national TV...
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Overlooked, me thinks, is the fact we are all doing this - basically - voluntarily. Yeah, I was a smartass, was flippant, weeks ago, but upon recognizing the potential threat to my partner's already weaken health (had the top of her head cut open and a couple tumors removed 20.1.10) I locked it down. Nobody asked. Actually, what people were asking of me was what should we do? When I look around, I don't see people protecting themselves because they were "ordered" to, but because they recognize the danger. Yes yes yes, we've all had a lot of fun with "lock them in" and I am all for it, been advocating it for weeks as well... but most out there are not doing this because they've been told to.
ReplyDeleteThe record reflects (heh) that nobody tells me what to do. I choose. Outsiders, we outside the circles of society, outside the protection of the law, play by their own rules. Self preservation is paramount, "respect" for "the law" grudging, and oaths tend to be kept.
It's not like jack-booted thugs are kicking your doors in.
Eating popcorn as y'all discuss me....
ReplyDeleteY'all might try looking at PER CAPITA instead of the number of cases...
and might realize that the numbers have gone up BECAUSE we are testing.
Keep slamming me if it makes you happy.
The echoes in here are many and loud.
So if we don’t test, that will keep the numbers down?
ReplyDeleteMove the goalposts much, B.? We’re nicely beyond the flu, and you decide there is a new standard...
ReplyDeleteUh... where, exactly is all this testing going on? The county health department? WalMart parking lot? Toll booths on the Turnpike? Cuz I'd really like to know. To my discomfort, I reside in a Major - capital M major though not quite all caps major - US metropolitan and to my knowledge the only testing going on is when you hit the stretcher. "Increased testing" is a lie, there has been no increase in public testing and in fact public funding has been terminated. More accurately recorded data reflecting the physical manifestation at hand might, just might, answer it but not with quite the same "gotcha'". We're flying blind in the sunshine.
ReplyDeleteOh, B., #6 in the world and closing rapidly...better now? Or do you want some National Review style rationalization for why the U.S. having such terrible numbers is good?
ReplyDeleteHey B, less than 1% have been tested. Imagine how the numbers will go up if everybody got tested.
ReplyDeleteSnicker.
ReplyDeleteKeep on folks.
Apparently, despite statements and protests to the contrary, you can't parse statistical data.
I'm out, keep telling yourselves how smart you are and how bad this is. Won't comment on this thread again.
Also, remember how many people are in the US vs most other countries, especially europe. Try to keep that in mind for perspective when looking at the stats.
Remember, just for reference, that a bad Flu year is 50K, a normal one is 20K (in the US)... so far, we have just barely topped the "Normal" flu. So keep telling each other how bad it is, and how terrible Donnie did since it makes you feel better to do the circle jerk.
Go ahead and tear the following apart with facts and data
ReplyDeleteIf you can.
A question we keep hearing about the Covid-19 pandemic: Isn’t this disease a lot like the flu?
A quick unambiguous answer: No, this is not like the seasonal flu. It is worse.
Yes, some of the symptoms of Covid-19 resemble flu — especially fever and coughs. But this virus is worse for the destruction it may cause, not only in human lives, but to our society.
This is not to downplay the flu; that disease is still an annual blight we could be even more proactive about fighting (annual flu shots are important!). And it’s still true that tens of thousands of people die from the flu each year in the US.
But also, keep in mind: That’s in a given year. Covid-19 hasn’t been around a year — or even half a year. Before January, this virus was not known to science, at all. It’s just getting started. And while there is still a lot of uncertainty over this virus, and how it will play out, from what we know so far, this is a threat to take extremely seriously.
All the reasons Covid-19 is worse than the flu
While the exact death rate is not yet clear, the evidence so far does show the disease kills a larger proportion of people than the flu (and it’s particularly lethal for people older than 80).
It also has a higher potential to overwhelm our health care system and hurt people with other illnesses.
Currently, there is no vaccine to combat it, nor any approved therapeutics to slow the course of its toll on the human body. (Doctors can treat cytokine storm syndrome, an immune response that may in some cases be dealing the fatal blow to those dying of Covid-19.)
Sober-minded epidemiologists say that 20 to 60 percent of the world’s adult population could end up catching this virus.
Biologically, it behaves differently than the flu. It takes one to 14 days for people with Covid-19 infection to develop symptoms (five days is the median). For the flu, it’s around two days. That potentially gives people more time to spread the illness asymptomatically before they know they are sick.
Around the country, health care providers are worried about their facilities being overrun with an influx of patients, and having to ration lifesaving medical supplies. Some flu seasons are worse than others — but facilities are anticipating flu cases, and prepare for them. Many hospitals, as Vox’s Dylan Scott has reported, and struggling in their preparations for Covid-19.
Four or so months ago, this virus is believed to have made the leap from animals to humans for the very first time. No human immune system had seen it before November, so no human had any natural immunity to it. That means it’s more contagious than the flu — about twice as contagious, perhaps more; the numbers are still being worked out.
The threat of it causing massive outbreaks that overwhelm health systems around the world is serious. It’s bad enough to roil our stock markets, put people out of work, and potentially cause a recession. It could potentially kill millions, both here and abroad.
It’s possible that Covid-19 will become endemic — meaning it will be a disease that regularly attacks humans and will not go away until there’s a treatment or a vaccine.
Again: Yes, flu variants kill tens of thousands of people a year in the US. But imagine if there was another kind of flu, “except potentially with a higher case fatality rate,” Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, told me recently. “Which is definitely a problem because the seasonal flu kills 30,000 to 60,000 Americans every year. And even if it’s the same case fatality rate of seasonal flu, that still presents a substantial public health burden.”
We do not want this to happen.
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2020/3/18/21184992/coronavirus-covid-19-flu-comparison-chart