Let me be plain: I believe E. Jean Carroll's story that she was sexually assaulted by Donald Trump. Trump has a long track record of considering any woman he meets as property. He is a serial offender.
But the thing is, Carroll's account will, in the political sense, matter not. None of the Trumpanzees will be convinced. The self-styled "moral majority" is perfectly OK with a guy who has cheated on all of his wives, who wants to bang his daughter, and who cheats everybody.
Trump could be caught on film shooting somebody or in a drug-fueled sex party with minors and none of his supporters would give a rat's ass. (Or they would say "whatabout dem emails"?)
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The ones who bother me are the ones who like him more because of it, and there are a lot of them.
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It’s interesting...until the 80’s, the private lives of Politicians (and Public Figures, as a whole) was generally considered as “unimportant” or not of interest. Then we moved to scrutinizing private lives, but not yet valuing women’s testimony and complaints, characterized by Gary Hart, Bill Clinton, etc. Now we’ve moved on to being more accepting of women’s complaints against public figures, except high level Republican Office Holders. Now, if the victim in question is a young boy/man or a young girl, they act...but once a woman turns about 13, the top of the Republican Party seems to consider that fair game. The question is, will the dam break and/or will there be any reaction from women on this disparity.
ReplyDeleteCP88, my recollection is that Gary Hart got this shit going by basically saying his life was an open book. Reporters took him at his word and the rest is history.
ReplyDeleteI would question why she didn't file a criminal complaint?
ReplyDeleteWhy discuss it now?
(And no, I am not saying she is lying, I am only asking: Why now?, why not 3 or 5 or 10 years ago?) I believe it is a valid question.
Of course, I am not a woman, so there may be considerations of which I am unaware.
B., the same was asked of Bill Clinton’s accusers, and some of the same Pols said we should believe them regardless of claim or now and now the opposite. I take no position with this comment other than the hypocrisy of these individuals.
ReplyDelete"...dem emails ..."
ReplyDeleteI see what you did there.
I would also ask why not closer to the election if she merely wished to damage Trump? (This timing actually, IMO, ENHANCES her credibility)...it's not like this accusation happened 6 months before the election. Unlike Ms Ford, her timing doesn't seem to be nefarious. The Media and the public will forget this by the time the election could be swayed. So I dunno.
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ReplyDeleteI think the answer to your question is that the timing is personal . Not just in this case but in most cases keeping the secret is a burden , it's baggage and the last vestige of the control the predator had over them . One day all that's left is to acknowledge to the world that it happened and if it's not convenient for those around you or the rest of the world , tough . They're not going to carry that burden one day more .
Glenn
There is the overhead for women that being raped or at least sexually
ReplyDeleteattacked makes for embarrassment and questions like what was she
wearing and what did she do to trigger him and such questions.
Think of how this stuff was in the 70s and 80s, we may treat it
different now but anyone old enough remembers the intrigue of
Kennedy and the bridge, and many more that only made the scandel
sheets.
Its a personal assault, one that leaves a mark even if not seen.
Over time it is like many psychological assaults it will eat at
a person until its no longer bearable or or help is sought to
put it behind. Remember most women that take a rapist to trial
are often told to fully expect to be tried as well, raped twice.
In the end you, as in you men, pay for trumps and others like him
abuses. You are no longer kind or gentle, you are the potential
predator to some. It is an incremental erosion of point of view
and direct for victims. If that seems harsh consider who are
considered good or bad and why.
That trump has admitted to groping and other lewd acts on tape
is sufficient. He is a serial sexual predator. I do not have
to prove that true, its admitted by him.
Eck!
Sexual assault cases are one of those where the victim is as much on trial as the perpetrator. It's also a class of crime where "she was asking for it" or "it was consensual" or "nobody saw nuttin', copper" work as defenses.
ReplyDeleteI have a number of friends who have been raped during their lives. None of their rapists ever were arrested, let alone tried.
Sexual assault is also a crime in which judges, to this day, seem overly solicitous of the perpetrator, especially if the perpetrator is white and powerful.
Twenty years ago, E. Jean Carrol might have, justifiably, believed that if she were to file a complaint against Trump, the charges would not be taken seriously by the cops and that the blowback in the media would hurt her forever.
She may now have no fucks to give about that.
OK, what I read was that of the two friends she told about it at the time, one begged her to go to the police and the other said not to go because "he has 200 lawyers" and there's no way to win.
ReplyDeleteAs for the timing, I think she has a book coming out that tells the story, and I'm not an expert on the ins and outs of publishing, but perhaps the deal goes through when it goes through, and the account of the assault isn't the main feature of the book.
-Doug in Oakland
And interestingly enough:
ReplyDeletePlease note: This is a Breitbart story. (Which doesn't make it untrue) (https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/06/25/ny-post-removes-story-about-e-jean-carroll-sex-assault-claim-against-trump/)
But it would seem that the New York Times that pulled the story.....Which is, in itself, interesting.
And apparently, there is a great deal of similarity to a "Law and Order" episode.
Even Anderson Cooper apparently has issues with her.
So I dunno.
And now we find out she has a book coming out?
The timing on that is.....interesting.
Um, that doesn't say New York Times, it says New York Post, which is a Murdoch rag.
ReplyDelete-Doug in Oakland
I’m quite sure that any rape can be linked to a similar TV episode plot, given the ubiquitous nature of sexual assault in the world. I find it most interesting that Donnie’s first response was along the lines of “I wouldn’t rape her if I was given the choice” (“She’s not my type” is the exact quote), rather than fake news. Donnie, like many sexual abusers, is relying on the more decent males to buy into the rape is a crime of passion argument rather than the factual rape is a crime of power reality.
ReplyDeleteIn pushing the old “I wouldn’t touch her with a 10-foot pole” narrative, he is relying on (mostly) men looking at his wife versus this now aging lady and saying “with that at home, why would he touch that?” He’s successfully moved the narrative in time to the present as a defensive strategy, obfuscating the reality and his history. We know from his own statements and history that Donnie is a racist, a misogynist and a serial philanderer, so his success in removing that from the media coverage is huge for him, as is focusing the story on her rather than him.
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