tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post9145232970220045454..comments2024-03-29T05:15:59.987-04:00Comments on Just An Earth-Bound Misfit, I : Knee-Jerk Reaction From the Biggest JerkComrade Misfithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15404477636451308763noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-75297476126346884502019-03-14T13:51:41.371-04:002019-03-14T13:51:41.371-04:00As for this not happening to US pilots....not so.....As for this not happening to US pilots....not so...upset "excursions" from stable flight have been recorded in the anonymized NASA problem reporting database....but the pilots have been able to recover. And it appears it is not just MCAS. From Fallows:<br />https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2019/03/heres-what-was-on-the-record-about-problems-with-the-737-max/584791/Stewart Deanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06830186006689502072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-12502963883743509972019-03-14T09:34:24.928-04:002019-03-14T09:34:24.928-04:00CP88, yeah, the 737 recovered from the rudder hard...CP88, yeah, the 737 recovered from the rudder hardover problem and succeeded in the market. Not so, however, for the Electra. It had a similarly mysterious crash-inducing problem that was eventually solved -- but the airplane died (except in the Navy).Deadstickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06484321108126882385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-50681862648998547882019-03-14T09:26:22.853-04:002019-03-14T09:26:22.853-04:00There is a great difference between sick and rudde...There is a great difference between sick and rudder pilots (Sully)<br />and equipment tweakers. That being one can diagnose issues and <br />apply their knowledge to solve it... The others go into whhattt mode <br />and die.<br /><br />Eck!Eck!https://www.blogger.com/profile/13890237094647111653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-17609596119529753662019-03-13T19:35:07.380-04:002019-03-13T19:35:07.380-04:00From a pilot at Southwest Airlines that I know, th...From a pilot at Southwest Airlines that I know, the issue is pretty much the training in transition from prior 737 models and the changes in the autopilot and especially the autotrim system. Apparently there is an issue with the sensors that control the autotrim. Southwest warns their pilots about this and trains how to recognize the issue and disable the Autotrim system. <br /><br />Mostly training, as these pilots of the crashed airlines had not had the Boeing approved transition course. And, as pointed out above, were not "real" "pitch and power" pilots, but rather automation managers. <br /><br />All the above is heresay from a 737 Max Pilot. I don't know enough to judge whether he is correct or not. B https://www.blogger.com/profile/10586046436233366155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-64380497327355243882019-03-13T18:43:41.520-04:002019-03-13T18:43:41.520-04:00Montag, indeed, search B737 rudder issues for data...Montag, indeed, search B737 rudder issues for data on the servo malfunction that killed at 157 people and brought down two flights. The FDR sample rate was too low to isolate the issue, and a different type of event recorder on a B747 finally captured the necessary clues.CenterPuke88https://www.blogger.com/profile/17770056621255249861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-91752304728865164062019-03-13T18:40:14.043-04:002019-03-13T18:40:14.043-04:00I suspect a combination of Boeing’s poor documenta...I suspect a combination of Boeing’s poor documentation of changes in autopilot function and a weakness in pilot training, quite possibly related to Comrade’s training thesis.<br /><br />Some people are a bit hysterical about the FDR and CDR going to France to be read, rather than coming to the U.S., but I don’t have any concerns. The data isn’t going to be messed with, but this will prevent skeptical types from reading U.S. conspiracy into this.<br /><br />The official line is new satellite data that seems similar to the Lion Air accident, this was relayed to FAA and Chao, who made a recommendation to Fergus, who then accepted it and claimed it. I can buy that, but I think Canada was the straw that broke the camel’s back.CenterPuke88https://www.blogger.com/profile/17770056621255249861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-2543276654728202442019-03-13T18:35:37.383-04:002019-03-13T18:35:37.383-04:00IIRC there was an earlier model of the 737 that wo...IIRC there was an earlier model of the 737 that would on occasion turn over and dive straight down to the ground. Boeing swore on a stack of investor reports that there was no problem until they found the problem and quietly fixed it. As Boeing re-invented the 737 with the MAX series, they could well have re-invented their problem.montaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15333471337818106739noreply@blogger.com