tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post8465755225130708825..comments2024-03-28T00:18:09.974-04:00Comments on Just An Earth-Bound Misfit, I : Of Course Trump Hates ScienceComrade Misfithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15404477636451308763noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-86616074637695155642018-12-04T14:56:55.891-05:002018-12-04T14:56:55.891-05:00This comment thread has passed into the moderation...This comment thread has passed into the moderation zone, due to age. I don’t feel up to the task, at the moment. So I am shutting this down.Comrade Misfithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15404477636451308763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-31440607600408207522018-12-03T21:24:36.338-05:002018-12-03T21:24:36.338-05:00Here’s a titbit, five independently maintained set...Here’s a titbit, five independently maintained sets of climate records confirm global warming. To “fix” this you would need an insider in each program, all working to the same goal. To have this be true, you simply need to readings to be accurate. Let’s apply Occum’s Razor.CenterPuke88https://www.blogger.com/profile/17770056621255249861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-2500587090238518302018-12-03T17:41:00.557-05:002018-12-03T17:41:00.557-05:00The Rude Pundit is, well, rude, and I try to be ci... The Rude Pundit is, well, rude, and I try to be civil here, but sometimes the only way I can express myself is to link to his writing because technically, that isn't using that language or rhetoric here because you don't have to follow the link.<br /> Lee Papa is a very smart guy, though.<br /><br /> -Doug in Oaklanddinthebeasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12941071534250216503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-9902363990549763382018-12-03T15:35:31.363-05:002018-12-03T15:35:31.363-05:00B, your arguments are reminiscent of Trump's, ...B, your arguments are reminiscent of Trump's, just as Ms. Fit explains 8 posts above this one. You believe with what your heart tells you, rather than your head; evidence be damned. The report in question involved unpaid individuals, several separate scientific centers, and over 30 different agencies of the federal government. And yet you still want to question the data because it doesn't agree with your world view. Say, you didn't go to one of Betsy DeVos' academies, did you?<br /><br />DaleDTWNDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10874818524204797652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-6596503536851597702018-12-03T06:49:16.942-05:002018-12-03T06:49:16.942-05:00Doug in Oakland - Rude Pundit is one of the blogs ...Doug in Oakland - Rude Pundit is one of the blogs I read and is where I get some of my climate change information. They really know how to put Science verbiage into "Captain Dummy Talk" (thanks to Firefly for that phrase). Also they are snarky and sassy as all get out, traits this old lady can appreciate.<br /><br />B - I tell you what I've observed and you pooh pooh it as belief. No where did I tell you what I believe. I told you what I've extrapolated from the facts at hand. You haven't paid me to offer my beliefs, or my opinions for that matter. What I talked about is Observation with the caveat that correlation doesn't automatically equal causation.<br /><br />By the way B - you've thrown the fraud word around a lot without providing a shred of evidence to back your claim. Hmm... that sounds dangerously like an opinion! Perhaps you need to address the plank in your eye before berating me about the mote in mine?Grey One talks sasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056615083843458327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-85659491529417741232018-12-03T01:55:09.691-05:002018-12-03T01:55:09.691-05:00http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2018/11/note-to-new...http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2018/11/note-to-news-networks-stop-having.html<br /><br /> -Doug in Oaklanddinthebeasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12941071534250216503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-85314709096899916772018-12-02T19:42:43.225-05:002018-12-02T19:42:43.225-05:00D:So because I don't believe the "Adjuste...D:So because I don't believe the "Adjusted" (and ALWAYS upward data is valid, you won't bother to show any unadjusted data? Really? I think you can't show any. In fact, I know you can't find any that isn't adjusted that shows any warming. <br /><br />And CP....From your own article (which I read, and you apparently didn't): <br />" A 2016 study suggested that while a great deal of fresh water has been discharged from Greenland, it's difficult to track what happens to it because of eddies and currents. This research concluded that most of Greenland's meltwater moves southward, and what remains of the fresh water is not enough to affect the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation" <br /><br />Notice the last sentence. <br /><br />Of course the article says that someday, it *COULD* affect the circulation. But it isn't. Not yet, despite the dire warning that it will happened just any moment now....for the PAST 30 YEARS. Yes, some models show that it will stop soon. But they've been showing that for more than 30 years. and they don't fit reality. Which means, like nearly all climate models, they wrongly predict climate disaster....because no one gets grants to predict that all is well. When the models don't predict reality, real scientists change (or fix, at least) the models until they do predict correctly....Your prophets, however, adjust the data to fit the models. Fraud. <br /><br />Again, find a model that, when fed historical data, accurately (for whatever reasonable level of accurate you wish) predicts the conditions TODAY. You can't. <br /><br />B https://www.blogger.com/profile/10586046436233366155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-28551834036417181162018-12-02T02:34:50.470-05:002018-12-02T02:34:50.470-05:00"Again. Show me some actual undedited, un&quo..."Again. Show me some actual undedited, un"adjusted" data that proves what you say. You can't. 'Cause it isn't there. You can win this argument easily by showing that. Simple. I'll wait. "<br /><br /> What would be the point? You aren't going to believe it, and it would just give you another opportunity to try and poison the discussion.<br /> Have fun explaining this to your grandkids when they ask you about it.<br /><br /> -Doug in Oaklanddinthebeasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12941071534250216503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-77062459619306796212018-12-01T22:54:23.752-05:002018-12-01T22:54:23.752-05:00Snopes, yes, really. Perhaps you should read the ...Snopes, yes, really. Perhaps you should read the analysis.<br /><br />Yes, there is proven weakening of the Gulf Stream. Quit looking for a minor item that fits your misconceptions and blowing it up into an expose on how the whole thing is false.<br /><br />Your lifestyle is just as relevant as mine is...thus your dismissal of the question shows the importance of your question of me and others.CenterPuke88https://www.blogger.com/profile/17770056621255249861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-28592701788752273222018-12-01T20:04:14.193-05:002018-12-01T20:04:14.193-05:00CP: Hve you read the article on the thermohaline c...CP: Hve you read the article on the thermohaline circulation? IT says nothing of the sort. "The melting in Greenland is within the mean, but it's still above the average of what was happening 20 years ago" There is no weakening of the circulation It says that there COULD BE. not that it is.<br /><br />And SNOPES? Really??<br /><br />Your article on trees: Oddly, they are "Migrating" WEST, not north or south. Pretty much not part of that Global Warming" bit....<br /><br />I think you are not reading the articles you use. <br /><br />As for what I drive (big sooty diesel) and how I heat (wood and occasionally coal) it isn't the same as you folks who believe that we are coming ever closer to thermageddon and need to stop producing CO2 immediately or we are all gonna die (So far those deadlines have come and gone twice, yet we are still, oddly, here with little change in our climate....)....but don't change YOUR lifestyles. I don't see all you folks choosing to not use electricity and drive and stop buying stuff that is shipped in via boat and trucks and trains.... I don't believe mankind makes much difference one way or the other. It is more the sun.... and CO2 isn't the main driver (hint: Water Vapor and Methane are much stronger greenhouse gasses) and solar activity has so much effect that mankind's efforts one way or another are less than a rounding error. <br /><br /><br /><br />D: The quote doesn't say anything except that it mentions Climate Change and suggests that DOD have a plan. It fails to mention anything like actual "Climate Change" effects that DOD should plan for..." to include consideration of **potential** climate change impacts" (emphasis mine)<br />Reread it. It doesn't say much, actually, if you parse for content. <br /><br />Again. Show me some actual undedited, un"adjusted" data that proves what you say. You can't. 'Cause it isn't there. You can win this argument easily by showing that. Simple. I'll wait. <br /><br /><br />B https://www.blogger.com/profile/10586046436233366155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-42652021764986298812018-12-01T01:58:41.081-05:002018-12-01T01:58:41.081-05:00B: From your link:
"What GAO Recommends
GAO...B: From your link:<br /><br />"What GAO Recommends<br /><br />GAO recommends that DOD develop a plan and milestones for completing climate change vulnerability assessments of installations; provide further information to installation planners, clarifying actions that should be taken to account for climate change in planning documents; and clarify the processes used to compare military construction projects for funding, to include consideration of potential climate change impacts. DOD concurred with GAO's recommendations and explained how they will be implemented."<br /><br /> -Doug in Oaklanddinthebeasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12941071534250216503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-73409646885052153652018-12-01T00:07:13.850-05:002018-12-01T00:07:13.850-05:00So Snopes took a look at this and notes that the “...So Snopes took a look at this and notes that the “fraud” B. is complaining about is actually slightly reducing the warming effect, not increasing it. They also explain why the adjustments are made, but B. will dismiss it out of hand.<br /><br /><a rel="nofollow"> href="https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/climatology-fraud-global-warming/“>Snopes</a><br /><br />B., if you believe it’s a fraud, and the earth is actually cooling, what are YOU doing to fix it? Burning peat, a honking big diesel and rolling coal, coal fired heating...now can you not live that way if you believe the earth is cooling? See how stupid that suggestion is, so knock it off!<br /><br />With 16 of the 17 warmest years on record occurring since 2000, it’s pretty clear which way this shit is going. I’ve seen the movement in the latest and earliest frost dates, I’ve seen the winters that barely reach 32 versus those that had days at a time below freezing. Then, when it does get cold, it can get record cold for periods...the earth is a heat engine, and inputs cause results...more heat can easily cause a polar vortex as the increased circulation displaces Arctic air masses. Wanna address the slowing of the Gulf Stream B. ( <a rel="nofollow"> href=“https://phys.org/news/2017-06-climate-gulf-stream.html“>Phys.org</a> )? Perhaps explain the migration of tree species ( <a rel="nofollow"> href="https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/grow-west-the-mystery-of-americas-migrating-trees”>Big Think</a> )? I can go on, but it’s clear it’s pointless.CenterPuke88https://www.blogger.com/profile/17770056621255249861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-11548633544404128142018-12-01T00:06:14.036-05:002018-12-01T00:06:14.036-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.CenterPuke88https://www.blogger.com/profile/17770056621255249861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-70806175115130778992018-12-01T00:04:49.445-05:002018-12-01T00:04:49.445-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.CenterPuke88https://www.blogger.com/profile/17770056621255249861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-88455168637841709592018-12-01T00:04:07.848-05:002018-12-01T00:04:07.848-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.CenterPuke88https://www.blogger.com/profile/17770056621255249861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-39556595590699040982018-11-30T19:26:39.272-05:002018-11-30T19:26:39.272-05:00D: you should follow your own link: THe footnote d...D: you should follow your own link: THe footnote doesn't really fis what you are saying (Number 63)<br /><br />https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-14-446<br /><br />Some erosion happened on the seashore..... Like that never happened before. Something that was built in the 60's and wan't maintained and then failed....<br /><br />Seriously, the footnote goes to the URL I posted. Check it out for yourself. <br /><br />Grey One: Again, you BELIEVE, but have NOTHING to base it on. Just belief. And, if your really believed, you'd live a lifestyle that makes for little or no impact on that which you believe....do you own a car? Use electricity? Buy food that is trucked in? Or are you a hypocrite? Like Al Gore? <br />Data DOES matter. When the only data that supports a rise in temp is data that has been "Adjusted" upwards, then it is no longer data, it is fraud. B https://www.blogger.com/profile/10586046436233366155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-10697962365857641432018-11-30T07:58:10.339-05:002018-11-30T07:58:10.339-05:00PS - everything happening to our planet has happen...PS - everything happening to our planet has happened at one time or another in history. The warming up and cooling down is what our planet does.<br /><br />What those who advocate climate change are saying in essence is we humans are speeding up the cycle. Without our help the planet (and our expected weather) could have continued as it was for centuries. Now? Yeah, changes are happening faster than models predicted. When the planet starts to move humans had better learn to adapt to the new normal or get out of the way.<br /><br />As I see your arguments B - you are firmly fixed on a point. You won't move and you won't adapt. The planet will not be gentle with folks who think like you.Grey One talks sasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056615083843458327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-74840847171438273032018-11-30T07:50:46.926-05:002018-11-30T07:50:46.926-05:00B - Lots of demands for data which has been cited ...B - Lots of demands for data which has been cited repeatedly and you've pish-poshed away. Perhaps you are not reading for comprehension?<br /><br />My view on climate change is based on more than numbers. I observe people calling into local gardening shows talking about invasive insects who are gaining ground in areas formerly off limits because of hard freezes. I'm watching native plants die off because the temps and water content they need to survive has changed. I'm watching apex predators (polar bears) starving to death because the sea ice which they depend upon is going away. I also read about how the bears are surviving, mating with their Kodiak family to the south. That's a mashup I wouldn't want to meet in a dark and scary alley!<br /><br />While climate change is a disaster for the Department of Defenses (why would they address the issue if it was a nothing burger?) it's been a boon for archaeologists. As the ice retreats bodies are recovered, the latest find I read about occured in the Swiss Alps. The family finally had answers as their loved ones disappeared in the late 1800's. And that isn't the earliest find either. Read for yourself. The scientists are giddy with the information gleaned about diet and how the mummy lived and eventually died.<br /><br />There are clues all around you B if you open your eyes and observe. And therein lies the rub. You are so invested in DATA DATA DATA that you forget data is a numerological representation of what is happening in real time.<br /><br />As for your fixation on numbers, raw data is just that - raw. It needs parameters to focus the picture to allow humans to understand what it's saying. Without that focus all raw data manifests as is white noise.<br /><br />But what would I know? I'm just an old lady talking sass.Grey One talks sasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056615083843458327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-57453393603749959152018-11-30T00:53:58.572-05:002018-11-30T00:53:58.572-05:00It's from chapter 16 of the report this blog p... It's from chapter 16 of the report this blog post is about, B. Again, information already being discussed that you've chosen to ignore.<br /><br />https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/chapter/16/<br /><br /> -Doug in Oaklanddinthebeasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12941071534250216503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-14964369621422952922018-11-29T23:40:48.416-05:002018-11-29T23:40:48.416-05:00D: no cite for context?
C'mon. Yer lots bett...D: no cite for context? <br /><br />C'mon. Yer lots better than that, unless you are trying to hide something. B https://www.blogger.com/profile/10586046436233366155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-57477967701668402802018-11-29T21:40:43.272-05:002018-11-29T21:40:43.272-05:00OK:
"Climate change is already affecting U.S...OK:<br /> "Climate change is already affecting U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) assets by, among other impacts, damaging roads, runways, and waterfront infrastructure. DoD is working to both fully understand these threats and incorporate projected climate changes into long-term planning to reduce risks and minimize impacts. There are many examples of DoD’s planning and action for risks to its assets from climate change. DoD has performed a comprehensive scenario-driven examination of climate risks from sea level rise to all of its coastal military sites, including atolls in the Pacific Ocean. In the Arctic, the U.S. Coast Guard and Navy are pursuing strategies to respond to the changing geopolitical significance resulting from the projected absence of summer sea ice in the next few decades."<br /><br /> So I guess that means the Pentagon is in on the conspiracy also?<br /><br /> -Doug in Oaklanddinthebeasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12941071534250216503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-25204191553667310042018-11-29T18:07:31.926-05:002018-11-29T18:07:31.926-05:00Ok, Grey One: Provide some FACTS. Show me temp dat...Ok, Grey One: Provide some FACTS. Show me temp data proving we are warming. Show me the glaciers never retreated before. Show me where there is less sea ice now than at the turn of the century . Show me temp data for more than 1960-1990. <br /><br />Show me a climate model that, when historical data is entered, closely approximates today's climate (hint, they don't, none of them).<br /><br />Show me some of those changes that are CLIMATE, not weather. Real, actual measured data. Not "adjusted" data, but real measurements. <br /><br />Otherwise, you might as well tell me that the christian bible is a true and complete recitation of history. 'Cause you are taking what others say on faith and what the Media has told you to believe as truth, just like that bible. All faith, no proof. <br /><br />And remember, it used to be "Global Warming" until that didn't incite enough hysteria, then they changed it to "Climate CHange" when they couldn't show any warming. B https://www.blogger.com/profile/10586046436233366155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-7328112217501279302018-11-29T03:25:47.470-05:002018-11-29T03:25:47.470-05:00I'm confused. It sounds like some folks won...I'm confused. It sounds like some folks won't accept the changes happening in front of them unless there is a peer reviewed study to prove the point?<br /><br />There isn't one almighty voice from above to say Climate Change is happening; the evidence accretes like death from a thousand paper cuts. And I guess I'm not so much confused as frustrated with those who refuse to see facts for facts.Grey One talks sasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056615083843458327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-57476163801672404512018-11-28T23:11:49.954-05:002018-11-28T23:11:49.954-05:00 Bigger bucks than the Mercers and the Koch brothe... Bigger bucks than the Mercers and the Koch brothers?<br /><br /> -Doug in Oakland dinthebeasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12941071534250216503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-50125470895016879602018-11-28T21:30:24.398-05:002018-11-28T21:30:24.398-05:00Ok, let me be clearer:
Are there any research gra...Ok, let me be clearer:<br /><br />Are there any research grants given to researchers using public money or university money (which is where the big bucks are) for researchers looking to dispute "Climate Change? B https://www.blogger.com/profile/10586046436233366155noreply@blogger.com