tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post5604134334216704035..comments2024-03-28T23:33:45.139-04:00Comments on Just An Earth-Bound Misfit, I : Collision at SeaComrade Misfithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15404477636451308763noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-74713672458428652712017-06-18T19:50:49.461-04:002017-06-18T19:50:49.461-04:00Rather interesting analysis of available data:
ht...Rather interesting analysis of available data:<br /><br />http://www.vesselofinterest.com/2017/06/mapping-acx-crystals-collision-with-uss.html<br /><br />Posits a cargo vessel on autopilot and the Navy misreporting the collision time...but the evidence is interesting.CenterPuke88https://www.blogger.com/profile/17770056621255249861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-28305440032977254292017-06-18T14:33:56.427-04:002017-06-18T14:33:56.427-04:00I wonder if lack of sleep had anything to do with ...I wonder if <a href="http://babesinopen.blogspot.com/2009/10/lack-of-sleep.html" rel="nofollow">lack of sleep</a> had anything to do with the collision.Comrade Misfithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15404477636451308763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-48858307438691404412017-06-18T13:39:24.056-04:002017-06-18T13:39:24.056-04:00Fitz docked with a 5 degree list, and the story is...Fitz docked with a 5 degree list, and the story is now they almost sank. Significant damage down to the keel, multiple compartments opened to the sea.<br /><br />Correction on my comment above, ship was on a Japanese charter, but flagged in the Philippines, with a Philippine crew.CenterPuke88https://www.blogger.com/profile/17770056621255249861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-12296024805514646152017-06-18T13:31:54.547-04:002017-06-18T13:31:54.547-04:00The Fitzgerald looks to be listing to port, as wel...The Fitzgerald looks to be listing to port, as well. Perhaps that's why they decided not to land the helicopter, and use the winch instead?Leo Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15537108468817834665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-32490183985107019412017-06-17T21:24:32.379-04:002017-06-17T21:24:32.379-04:00The chopper is a Japanese Air Self-Defence Forse M...The chopper is a Japanese Air Self-Defence Forse Mitsubishi UH-60J with extended range tanks. There is a public domain picture from 2011 that shows the same type landing on the Fitz ( https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_Navy_110318-N-8288P-246_A_Japan_coast_guard_helicopter_lands_aboard_the_Arleigh_Burke-class_guided-missile_destroyer_USS_Fitzgerald_(DDG_62).jpg#mw-jump-to-license ). So the chopper apparently could have landed, but there are any number of reasons not to land...sea state, ship listing, ship control concerns, crew training, equipment, etc.CenterPuke88https://www.blogger.com/profile/17770056621255249861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-27695369911205050302017-06-17T17:50:19.461-04:002017-06-17T17:50:19.461-04:00My recall of maritime right of way has something i...My recall of maritime right of way has something in it about the less maneuverable (or more burdened) vessel having the right of way. Certainly a container ship is an utter pig to steer and stop....and never could have tagged a destroyer unless same got right in its way....<br />But what do I know.Stewart Deanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06830186006689502072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-6008633792555603982017-06-17T15:35:08.006-04:002017-06-17T15:35:08.006-04:00The flight deck might not be certified for that he...The flight deck might not be certified for that helo, maybe. Comrade Misfithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15404477636451308763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-2059670859037397012017-06-17T15:26:44.806-04:002017-06-17T15:26:44.806-04:00Right, Comrade...the right of way rules were a lon...Right, Comrade...the right of way rules were a long time ago, but I vaguely recalled them. I was more thinking that you might have some knowledge of a Burke, and their bridge configuration, and an idea of what might have played into things.<br /><br />W3ski, radar is only as good as the user/operator. It is entirely too easy to misinterpret radar data in a busy environment, and spurious returns also can cause confusion. On the glass front, a poster familiar with the Burke-class would have to answer that to be sure, but it looks like close to 360 visibility, IF you move around.<br /><br />Thomas, Japanese ship, so no advantage there.<br /><br />My $0.10 seems to focus on the late hour, the busy sea lane and negligence. With bags more manuverability, to be run over by a merchie in a Burke smacks of a crew zoned out or asleep. I just don't really see any other way this plays out, and with 7 likely dead, career-limiting had best be the minimum.CenterPuke88https://www.blogger.com/profile/17770056621255249861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-808565121979120082017-06-17T15:20:14.219-04:002017-06-17T15:20:14.219-04:00Hey, Comrade--
TV coverage shows a guy in a litte...Hey, Comrade--<br /><br />TV coverage shows a guy in a litter being winched up into a helo. Any reason why they'd do that instead of landing on the ship's helipad?deadstickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11507470381678244421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-91371470902815734232017-06-17T13:46:26.708-04:002017-06-17T13:46:26.708-04:00Confusing to the layman. Thanks for the info.Confusing to the layman. Thanks for the info.Tod Germanicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09036673218365709139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-47951272388238563092017-06-17T13:13:10.077-04:002017-06-17T13:13:10.077-04:00CP88, in a crossing situation, the vessel to starb...CP88, in a crossing situation, the vessel to starboard hs the right of way and is considered to be the "privileged vessel". The vessel to port is the burdened vessel and must maneuver in a manner that is obvious to the privileged vessel to avoid the risk of collision. The privileged vessel is required to maintain course and speed until a collision is imminent.<br /><br />On the photographic evidence (portside damage to the merchie, starboard-side damage to the warship), the warship likely was in the wrong.<br /><br />There will be radar tracks and whatnot which should show what happened. But the Captain, the OOD, the JOOD and the CIC Watch Officer would be well advised to retain legal counsel. Same for the XO, maybe.<br /><br />Bottom line: A bunch of guys have just executed a career-limiting move.Comrade Misfithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15404477636451308763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-59811304036307891832017-06-17T11:05:34.319-04:002017-06-17T11:05:34.319-04:00Can someone explain this to me. How can a Warship ...Can someone explain this to me. How can a Warship 'just collide' with another ship? I know Destroyers have Radar of many flavors, and lots of Glass to see out.<br />I can also figure there must be at least somebody designated "Night Watch", even if most of the crew was sleeping.<br />I just can't figure out how this happens to a Navy Ship. <br />It is Sad enough when our "Newest and Bestest" Destroyer gets broken during transit of the Panama Canal, but collisions in an open sea lane? I just can't understand to carelessness involved.<br />w3skiw3skihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13993709956954374919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-80010667707331171772017-06-17T10:10:50.007-04:002017-06-17T10:10:50.007-04:00Indeed CP, the first thought to my mind is 'wh...Indeed CP, the first thought to my mind is 'whose "merchant" ship?' The second thought is who initiated the (apparent) convergent course? Having investigated a number of car crashes, it appears to me the Fitz was trying to cut off the other.<br /><br />Remember the Maine. Gulf of Tonkin.Ten Bearshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11342911380840320087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7924773307171301256.post-90102299859316051992017-06-17T09:37:41.755-04:002017-06-17T09:37:41.755-04:00Comrade, care to expound on the starboard side com...Comrade, care to expound on the starboard side comment...with the other vessel showing damage to the upper, port bow, just aft of the prow, what are you thinking might have happened? I mean that with it being 0200 or so must make the experienced mind go to something for a cause. It seems clear it had to be converging courses, probably less than 45 degrees.CenterPuke88https://www.blogger.com/profile/17770056621255249861noreply@blogger.com